I Can't Swallow it
In the October issue of First Things, Joseph Bottum attempts a portrayal of Catholic culture in America over the past thirty years. His thesis has two claims: first, that the revival of Catholic culture in America has formed around the pro-life movment; and second, that the antipathies of liberal vs. conservative, leftist vs. traddie are so 1980s, so locked in the past that they will not determine how Catholic culture in this country moves forward.To illustrate how his thesis is borne out in the lives and views of young, intelligent, serious Catholics, Bottum recalls the conversation he had during a car ride with some college aged Catholics in Orange County. He describes these Catholics as "serious Catholic kids—daily communicants, pro-life marchers, soup-kitchen volunteers, members of perpetual-adoration societies", and of special note, one of them, reaching the end of the ride, is found to have Bottum's thesis in his mouth:
“You remember how, you know, the old hippie types used to say, ‘Never trust anyone over thirty’? Well, they were right. Only it was their own generation they were talking about,” the thin, quiet one in the back announced as we pulled up to the hotel. “You can see it clearly out here in California. That whole generation of Catholics in America, basically everybody formed before 1978, is screwed up. Left, Right, whatever....The best of them were failures, and the worst of them were monsters.”What a wise, world weary youth! Fully possessed of Bottum's wisdom, and at such a young age!
While Bottum begins the article by describing the influences of the pro-life movement upon the reformation of Catholic culture, he spends most of the article detailing the mishaps of Catholic movements, Left and Right, in America since the end of the Second Vatican Council. The obvious conclusion he presents to his readers is, as we've already heard from the sage young man, that the best of them were failures and the worst were monsters. This is not to say that there were no good Catholics in America during the whole of this time, only that the larger Catholic culture was in steady decay until it was given new life by the pro-life movement, John Paul II, and the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC).
Bottum points his finger at the usual suspects: the bishops, the bishops' bureaucracy, the Call to Action folks and, most recently, the abuse scandals. But he also takes aim at traditionalists, singling out the Seer of Bayside, Msgr. Gommar De Pauw, and Fr. Nicholas Gruner as representatives of the movement. Then, having lined up the bad guys, Left and Right, Bottum imagines that the two sides have cancelled each other out in a sort of matter / anti-matter annihilation. What we're left with is, I take it, the Catholic culture of First Things, Joseph Bottum, Richard John Neuhaus, and the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC).
Since I have neither the expertise nor the interest necessary to examine his characterization of the Left in Catholic America, I'll confine myself to some remarks about his cursory treatment of traditionalists.
The issue which most traditionalists would identify as being at the heart of their movement is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in its Tridentine rite. But the missal of St. Pius V is nowhere mentioned by Bottum as an issue worthy of consideration in itself. He merely recalls in passing the flight of "badly catechized" parishioners from St. Mary's by the Sea to Our Lady Help of Christians "whose only attraction appears to be its Tridentine rite."
Bottum does not seem to think that access to the Tridentine rite of the Mass played much of a role in the formation of the traditionalist movement in America. Though he mentions the Tridentine Mass in connection with Msgr. De Pauw, the other two traditionalist figures indicted by Bottum are Fr. Gruner and the Seer of Bayside, only indirectly connected to the old Mass, and both of whom he represents as having a cultish though now fading following.
If Bottum were asked to account for the apostolates of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter and the Institute of Christ the King which dot the country, filled with young families and many vocations, would he be left pointing at Fr. Gruner and the Seer of Bayside? What would he say about Fr. Aidan Nichols, O.P. who, in a book printed by Ignatius Press, says that the restoration of the Tridentine Mass is the way out of the liturgical crisis? I do not to mention the liturgical writings of Cardinal Ratzinger. There is something in the liturgy of the Mass which people care about passionately, and for good theological reasons.
Yet Bottum does not slow down long enough to consider the merit of the issues close to traditionalist hearts. He writes as though he is planning to read his article to the choir: we already know that John Paul is Great, we know how brilliant the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) is, we know that lefties are dirty and that traditionalists are crazy - long live our New Order!
If Bottum pauses at all, it is to make sure that we know how bad certain folks are, I mean, the Fr. Gruners of this world, you know, guys crazy enough to think that things still look suspicious in Russia, that "communism" might be gone, but that Russia's errors are not. Crazy. Then there was that Malachi Martin looney bird: in a series of fiction and non-fiction works in the 80s and 90s, he said that the American Church was filled with child-molesting, satan-loving priests and bishops. Crazy. At least we know Martin was wrong about the satan-loving part, for we saw how contrite the bishops were when they were caught by their erstwhile buddies in the leftist media, and then closed and sold parishes to pay for the boyfriends and catamites.
While quacks like Gruner and Martin were peddling their fare in America, and while the American bishops were just trying to keep their noses clean and the books straight (so says Bottum), John Paul was reigning Greatly in Rome, and he or his designated subordinates appointed or promoted the likes of Joseph Bernardin, Rembert Weakland, Roger Mahony Matthew Clark, Howard Hubbard, and even Orange County's own Tod Brown. Tell me about these men, Bottum, and then tell me that traditionalists (and everyone else for that matter) do not have a fair question or two for Rome.
In the usual Novus Ordo apologetic writing style, as exemplified by the authors at First Things, by George Weigel, by Michael Novak, etc., Joseph Bottum fails to draw a connection between the men in Rome and the men in the chanceries of America. The Holy Father can do no wrong, and though some bishops in America have been very naughty, they meant well: they were only trying to keep the finances sound and at least a priest in each parish, even if that priest's delicate tastes were for one, "forma insignis viridique iuventa" (though I doubt these priests scrupled about the former so long as the latter condition was fulfilled).
In the end, this "see no evil" philosophy comes across as both dogmatic and effete. First, as dogmatic, because it does not tolerate views of what has happened in the Church other than its own; other views, even conservative views, are represented as destructive to the Church. We at the Cornell Society for a Good Time, in contrast, pride ourselves on compassion and an openness to a diversity of views: I may not be in total agreement with the parishioners at St. Mary's by the Sea who left for Our Lady Help of Christians, but I can very well understand why they did, especially after they were threatened with excommunication for kneeling before the Lord of the Universe. Something is deeply wrong, not with them, badly catechized though they may be, as Bottum sneers, but with those who appointed the bishop, with the bishop, with his chancery, and with the priest, Martin Tran.
Second, the philosophy comes across as effete when we read Bottum's reaction to the story of Fr. Rod Stephens in Orange County:
To follow the . . . story is to suffer a kind of motion-sickness, your sympathies batted back and forth until you have no sympathy left for anyone. . . You start outraged at a priest who cohabits . . . But then you learn that it all came out because . . . Your outrage returns when you find out . . . But your teeth start to ache when you discover . . . On and on the story goes, the whole thing enough to make you want to crawl into bed and pull the covers over your head.What? Crawl into bed? You mean, like Fr. Marcel Maciel, a John Paul favorite and the founder of the Novus Ordo golden children, the Legionnaries of Christ, crawled into bed with some of his seminarians? No, surely not, but what possesses Bottum to write in this fashion? It's as though his nerves were unglued by a certain disorder . . .
Fr. Rod Stephens is a publicly recognized sodomite who pursued policies destructive to the diocese in Orange County. There's no question about sympathies, unless we mourn over a man who, if he remains unrepentant, will burn in hell. Our reaction to the situation ought to be one of righteous anger and then of prayer, not going to bed and pulling the covers over our head.
What man in this situation goes to bed and pulls the covers over his head? While Bottum's heart strings were being tugged in so many directions by Rod Stephens' story, he had not swooned away so far as to be unable to smear the "right-wing protesters, complete with banners, who paraded for photographers in front of the bishop’s residence." "Right-wing" is not here used as a term of approbration, as the intelligent reader may have surmised. In slapping on this label, Bottum is distancing himself from those who were praying the Rosary in front of the bishop's residence, those who were hoping by prayer and public witness to recall the bishop to his senses.
Instead - do you know what happened? - the bishop called the police and asked the cops to enforce a relatively unused law, a law which says that those protesting the actions of abortion workers (i.e., murderers) cannot come within a certain distance of the murderers' homes. Crazy. Those right-wingers, up to no good again, and all the while, bringing down Catholic culture in America.
In a rare moment of self-reflection, Bottum recalls a debate at Georgetown University between the indefatigable Americanist Michael Novak and feminist Monica Helwig. To Bottum, it was
"like an old couple locked in a bickering marriage: forgotten occasions suddenly remembered, dead quarrels fanned back to flame, until we seemed to be back at the 1976 Call to Action conference in Detroit, the low point in post-Vatican II American Catholic unity—nothing learned, nothing gained, nothing advanced in thirty years."But immediately returning to praise his neoconservative compatriot, he reassures us that, yes, indeed, progress has been made. As George Weigel tells us, from the churning cauldron of American Catholicism has emerged "the maturation of Catholic social thought." And though such awkward self-praise distracts, you are almost tempted to believe that the neoconservative crowd has indeed brought us somewhere profound; that just beyond the horizon lies a cohesive sociopolitical worldview that is entirely Catholic, and supported by everyone in the Church except those who spend their evenings bitterly tearing up pictures of the Roman Pontiff.
But his imagery betrays him. If that tiring, frequently rehashed debate between feminist Catholicism and effeminate Catholicism suggests anything, it is that neither side is willing to give up the political and cultural inheritance of the seventies. Whether their rhetoric takes its spiritual booster shot from the "Culture of Life" or the "Culture of Personal Dignity", what is being obscured here is the same: the dogma of the Faith. If the rebirth of Catholic culture is to be accomplished, while the wider Church still slides downward in self-demolition, it will require, as it always has, the spirit of sacrifice and the will to cut off those elements which have crept into our mindset not fully in accord with the teachings of Christ.
Interestingly, Bottum begins with this very idea, and a description of the 1950s which reminds one of some of Bishop Williamson's more obscure arguments.
The arcanery of decorations on albs and chasubles, the processions of Holy Water blessings, the grottos with their precarious rows of fire-hazard candles flickering away in little red cups, the colored seams and peculiar buttons that identified monsignors, the wimpled school sisters, the tiny Spanish grandmothers muttering prayers in their black mantillas, the First Communion girls wrapped up in white like prepubescent brides, the mumbled Irish prejudices, the loud Italian festivals, the Holy Door indulgences, the pocket guides to Thomistic philosophy, the Knights of Columbus with their cocked hats and comic-opera swords, the tinny mission bells, the melismatic chapel choirs—none of this was the Church, some of it actually obscured the Church, and the decision to clear out the mess was not unintelligent or uninformed or unintended.Without worrying ourselves about Bottum's twisted view of the Council, we ought to ask a few pointed questions about this wonderful replacement Catholic culture which he thinks is beginning to make its entrance. Yes, many of his allusions are signs of hope: these enthusiastic college-age Catholics stubborn to defend the Pope of Rome, praying for an end to abortion, and proudly engaging their peers. Still, as a member of this younger Catholic generation I know that we have been abused. Not just by our dear, gentle priests and forgetful Bishops, but by a new and imperfect evangelization. It is an evangelization that makes compromises with a world that is eager to corrupt - through an evil popular culture which so many only partially reject, through false conceptions of human dignity and religious freedom, through laxism and liberalism, and all of the other manifestations of the uber-heresy of Modernism. And yet Bottum has the gall to suggest that crouching about with the Call to Action folks, poorly catechized and mean in spirit, are those evil traditionalists, ruining Catholic culture for everyone.
Joseph Bottum is the one bringing down Catholic culture in America. I am disgusted by his writing - besides this article, his piece about the death penalty comes to mind as an equally effete essay - just as I have long been leary of the magazine which he edits, First Things. Between the universalism advocated by Neuhaus and its indulgent ecumenism, which refuses to call all men to the fullness of the truth which is found only in the Catholic Church, it is a thoroughly impious publication - in my opinion.
Still, First Things is a force to be reckoned with in the battle for the Catholic Church in America on account of its money, its writers, and its readership. Bottum's piece was interesting, though infuriating, and I encourage you to read it for yourselves to see what he said. Committed as we are in this Society to dialogue and to the vision of a seamless garment of American Catholicism sewn from a rich diversity of opinions, I could not let the occasion of his article pass without saying that I, for one, think that he is wrong about the future of American Catholicism, and that his error springs, in part, from his misunderstanding of Catholic traditionalism in this country.
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A masterful reply, gentlemen!
Bottum mentions an easily recognizable group on college campuses, the "conservative" Catholic kind. I am quite familiar with them. They are part of the John-Paul-the-Great crowd, they engage in watered-down catechesis, etc., etc. A further note, though: at least at Marquette, they seemed to be fans of the theologian Hans Urs Von Balthasar. In other words, the primary frame of reference is not Thomism but rather the Nouvelle Theologie that helped pave the way for the Council. Balthasar recommended "razing the bastions" of the Faith in an ecumenical gesture. You know what I mean -- if we can get along with the protestants (who still exist and are important, Johnboy!) better by ditching Latin, sodalities, Baroque statuary, etc., by all means do so. The Church must abase herself like Our Lord did, etc. Hmm, isn't that what Bottum is referring to when he laments the trappings of 50s Catholicism? And doesn't he admit in passing that this was a mistake? John Vennari, eat your heart out!
Boy, I have wanted to hear something like that about the First Things team for a long time. Good job!
I just ran across the new liberal book on Neuhaus and First Things by one of their former editors. It's called Theocons. Anyway, in the book, the author says that Neuhaus kept up an uneasy alliance with the Paleocons at the Rockford Institute and the Neo-cons for awhile. (Apparently, First Things was originally associated with the Rockford Institute) Anyway, one day apparently, a group of Rockford "thugs" showed up and threw him and his staff out of the New York office. Neuhaus and his gang had to grab their papers and leave. I think Chronicles is a far better mag than First Things.
My initial reaction to your post is: calm yourselves, stop scolding like schoolmarms, and either engage the argument, or, if you have no wish to do so, stay out of it entirely. Whatever his errors, Joseph Bottum is a scholar and has written a piece with some subtlety and not a little intellectual merit. If you wish to disagree you should write a true rebuttal and not satisfy yourselves with taking pot shots at individual details of a very far-reaching analysis.
I will check these impulses, however, long enough to say this much: I think you are quite right that Bottum has a deficient appreciation of both the value of liturgy and the aims and motivations of the traditionalist movement. He is obviously enmeshed in what Trads like to call the neo-Catholic movement, and he exemplifies some of the faults of that group, among them, perhaps, an excessive reluctance to criticize some of the shortcomings of the recent pontiffs and especially John Paul II, and as I've just said, a lack of appreciation for critical liturgical issues. We've gone through these topics many times before.
But your reply does real injustice to Bottum's piece on many levels. First, you indignantly and heatedly insist that much is wrong with the Church today and that Bottum's sanguine vision obscures terrible lingering problems. Reread the article. He goes to great lengths to catalog the terrible problems, and admits openly that it there is still so much wrong that it would be easy to give up in despair. He admits that the moral authority of the Church has been deeply damaged; he acknowledges grave clerical abuses on all levels with in the United States; he describes the willful destruction of Catholic culture in America as "insane" (you completely distort his meaning when you pull that quote entirely out of context); he certainly would not disagree with you that the present generation of young people has been, as you say, mistreated and abused.
But need we really get so indignant at his assertion that some things are getting better? No doubt we'd prefer to chart this in terms of the growing number of Traditional parishes filled with young, traditional families, while Bottum illustrates his point with a description of young, orthodox neo-Catholic college students. But these trends are not unrelated, and I think a Traditional Catholic can endorse Bottum's general picture: out of the murk of an almost unbelievably debased 1970's Church, signs of life have sprung. Bottum is not the only one to find this inspirational. Plenty is still wrong with the Church, but I ask you, Iosephe and Iacobe, would you prefer to have come of age at the turn of the millennium, as you did, or in the year 1980? Not a difficult question to answer, I'll warrant. Joseph Bottum *did* come of age in that dark period, and if he's now finding that the air is a bit cleaner than when he was our age, should we shout him down for taking a few deep breaths? He is obviously well aware that there is much left to do.
With regards to his attacks of Tradition, I have already acknowledged that he does not fully understand it, and it is obviously his grouping of Traditionalists with leftist heretics that has you foaming at the mouth. But be fair. The article does not aim to provide a full and nuanced portrayal of the Traditionalist movement; it consciously undertakes to describe the worst of both sides. And, from that perspective, there *is* some connection between them. The Traditional movement is indeed very reactionary. To my mind that's not entirely a bad thing, but it is only fair to acknowledge that much of its energy has come from a strong reaction against the insanity of the left, and so, like most reactionary movements, there have been some who spun way too far. I think it generally *is* true throughout Church history that whenever heresy springs up in one quarter of the Church, schism becomes a problem in another. So Bottum's description of a "mirror effect" is not ridiculous, and I think we need to be prepared to take responsibility for our own crazies. We should do our best to bring them back, and try to explain to the rest of the Catholic world that we aren't all quite like that, but at the same time we have to accept that there's some strangeness in the development of the post-Vatican II Traditional movement, and the non-crazies among us will understandably be painted with that same brush at times. When criticisms of those folks are levied by non-Traditionalists like Bottum, they aren't always and necessarily unfair. We might take it as a challenge for us, to prove to the well-meaning but ignorant neo-Catholic crowd that a love of the Tridentine Mass is not tantamount to sedevacantism.
To say that Bottum is the one destroying Catholic culture in America is preposterous. He is intelligent, he is orthodox, and he is grappling with many of the same questions that are pressing upon us. Are we going to stop our ears to anybody who discusses Catholic culture without criticizing John Paul II or praising the Latin Mass? As regards your criticisms of First Things as a whole, I can only repeat that if you don't wish to be scholars, you should not read scholarly journals. Nobody is seeking an imprimatur for First Things and it obviously is not a mouthpiece for Catholic Tradition. If seeing Catholics and Protestants publishing in the same pages offends you so deeply, don't subscribe. But if you do think it worthwhile to have a respected scholarly forum for publishing the ideas of religious scholars from across the spectrum, then First Things is about as good as it gets. Do note that among those published in its pages are several of Rome's more orthodox cardinals and our Holy Father himself.
By the way, Tobias Petrus, where did Balthasar recommend "razing the bastions" in an ecumenical gesture? I'm genuinely curious, because he was indeed quite a prolific writer, but you know, it was Balthasar more than anybody else who persuaded a wavering pre-Catholic Clara of the evils of indifferentism and forced her to consider that ecumenism might have real limitations.
Yes, Clara, that was apparently one of Balthazar's favorite lines, and often repeated by a younger Fr. Ratzinger.
I've never heard the exact context though myself.
Hi, Clara. I had thought it was to be an ecumenical gesture, and maybe I was right. Here is what the Ignatius Press blurb says about Balthasar's book "Razing the Bastions":
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On the Church in this Age
Hans Urs von Balthasar
Written in the 1950s, this book defines and anticipates, in a prophetic way, the role of the laity in the Church, and the intimate relationship between the Church and the world. These two themes were recognized by the Second Vatican Council especially in the two constitutions "On the Church" and "The Church in the Modern World."
Von Balthasar's "bastions" are barriers erected over the centuries which separated the laity from the clergy and the Church from the world. He pleads for a Church that interprets "the signs of the age," grasps them and answers them, allowing herself to be awakened by the Holy Spirit and by the age "from the bed of historical sleep for the dead of today." The new function of the Church is to be the "yeast of the world"--she must understand herself as the "instrument of the mediation of salvation to the world." Stressing that the hour of the laity is sounding in the Church, von Balthasar makes it clear that the "true program of the Church for today is: the most powerful radiance into the world through the most immediate imitation of Christ."
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So, ecumenical role of this unconfirmed. However, I bet that most traditionalists -- and even conservatives -- would be highly suspicious of such a blurb if Balthasar's name and Ignatius Press were not associated with it.
Awesome. He wrote a whole book with that title.
Either engage the argument or stay out of it entirely.
I'm afraid, Clara, that I'm unaware of the argument that we failed to engage. We said in our response that we weren't going to talk about his characterization of the Left. As to his first point about the pro-life movement . . . it's interesting, but I really don't know what to say about it one way or another. I guess it's fine enough, as far as it goes, but it's only an assertion on his part, observations he has made about the way things seem to be, about the pervasive influence of a revitalized natural law philosophy. He's not making the claim as a social scientist, but as an essayist. Good for him.
Or perhaps you allude to the Left/Right, matter/anti-matter annihilation? Was that the genius of his piece which we've failed to appreciate? Well, again, it's an interesting claim, and I would guess that it's success depends on whether things really are the way he has described them, left and right. In calling into question his characterization of the Right, you might say that we were going so far as to say . . . "NO".
So what part of the argument have we failed to engage? We made it clear that we wanted to talk about his characterization of traditionalists, and our claim was that he is wrong about how things will be because he has misunderstood traditionalism in America. To me, that sounds like a perfectly sane, calm, rational thesis. Further, we backed our claim by pointing to the deficiencies of his characterization and by asking some questions about the hubris of his own position, that is, the position which he seems to think will inform the new Catholic culture in America.
Now just because we were able to slam the man rhetorically for speaking such effeminate nonsense as even I am surprised to find in the pages of First Things doesn't mean, Clara, that we failed to engage his argument, or that we're not interested in being scholars. In fact, we drew the connection between the present effete essay and his essay on the death penalty, which works along similar, sappy lines. We'd be happy to discuss that one as well, if you'd like to share with our readers what an amazing thinker Joseph Bottum is.
Joseph Bottum . . . has written a piece with some subtlety and not a little intellectual merit.
Iacobus and I would be happy to hear about it, I mean, this "some subtlety" and this "little intellectual merit". I have no doubt that the man has a noodle of no modest capacity in his head, but "subtle" is not the word I would have used to describe the piece. We've said why we think so; will you do us the favor in return?
He is obviously enmeshed in what Trads like to call the neo-Catholic movement
Indeed he is! And his essay was an attack of the neo con cath movement on its enemies, both left and right. Our response was an attack on his position, plain and simple. Are we not allowed this?
You appear incensed that we accuse the man of being deficient in understanding. While you admit that he has not fully grasped either traditionalism or liturgical matters, why will you not allow us to turn from the defensive to the offensive in order to show the hollowness of the neo con cath position?
Clara, it's not just a minor weakness of their position that they hold a "pope can do no wrong" approach to the papacy. This is both the weakness and the stupidity of their position. "Stupid" may be a horribly crass word to apply to so learned and cultured a man as Joseph Bottum - I hear that he writes poetry, too? - but that's just what the view is, stupid: historically ignorant and blind to the present reality.
But there's a bigger problem than all of I've just mentioned, and it's part of what fuels the fury of Iacobus and Iosephus when it comes to First Things. You know very well, Clara, that we like to engage with a variety of positions and arguments. We're doing it all the time on this blog. But these men are closed to the very considerations which we are eager to keep open. Some examples. For these men, can John Paul be anything but the Great? Are we allowed to criticize the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC)? Are we allowed to criticize Rome for giving us horrible bishops? And are we allowed to criticize Rome for preaching a water-downed ecumenism? Can Joseph Bottum and his ilk discuss these topics?
I don't believe so, and where he certainly might have in this essay, he did not. You say that he acknowledges how bad things are, but that he has hope for the future - so where do we differ? Indeed, the traditionalists have hope for the future, but it's not the same hope that Bottum has - remember, he's in bed with the covers over his head.
No, Clara, he apologizes for the bishops left and right, and we bring this out in our essay; I thought it was very charitable of him, that is, to put the best possible light on what all of these bishops were doing while the sodomites were running around. And I would be sympathetic with his charitable characterization of the bishops if it weren't for the fact that, unlike Bottum, I'm pretty well convinced that many of these men are even more evil than they publicly appear to be. It's not just that these bishops covered up child molesters, they have also been enemies of the Faith - Mahoney and Clark come to mind, but there are so many more.
You see, Clara, neo cath cons are very, very uncomfortable with this kind of talk because once one starts to push on it, pretty soon, you're back at Rome. To the neo con cath mind, this is very dangerous, because the Holy Father is, in their view, personally as well as doctrinally, infallible. Otherwise, why not just admit that we've had some piss poor popes? Popes who let bishops conferences run rampant, who appointed and promoted abusing bishops - not to mention let heresy run wild, and who put on the kid gloves just when they really needed to take off the gloves and go bare-knuckled.
And so one pushes on this line, and gets back to Rome: either Rome is to blame, or some dark power is at work, tying Rome's arm back.
Ambrosius, Iacobus and I have often been over this ground: as I said in the essay, Malachi Martin was writing about the bad abuse stuff here in America long before the Boston Globe. You'd do well to acquaint yourself with what Martin said, even if you don't take the time to read it all. There is no doubt that the Vatican knew what was going on here, and yet nothing happened, and the bad guys kept moving up the ladder.
When little boys are being raped, the Holy Father better be moving heaven and earth to stop it - unless something unearthly is stopping him.
I'm perfectly willing, in an openness to diverse hypotheses and positions, to allow that it was Satan himself who has confined the power of the Holy See since the time of Paul VI. But if this isn't case, then we had popes in Rome who knowingly appointed and promoted sodomites and abusers, and the neo con cath position collapses.
Iacobus et Joseph,
Oh please spare us your condescension and get off that high horse. You know very well when you wrote that piece that Clara and I would respond. Indeed, it seems pretty clear that was part of your intent. While Clara might be a bit exuberant in characterizing First Things as scholarly, it nonetheless remains clear that you two mischaracterized parts of Bottum's article. The degree of culpability I will allow is unclear, but as time does not presently allow a full response, let me say that you can expect a head post response from the two of us in the near future.
Trash or not, dear Doctor, the article is a very good subject for discussion, and I welcome any such post, from atop the very highest of horses. :)
Thank you, D.A., we look forward to reading your response in a future post.
Now, to be sure, we did write our reply, in part, hoping to elicit a response. But that would not have been sufficient motivation. Instead, we were truly irritated by Bottum's characterization of traditionalists - and then at the parade of his own position as the happy via media. Or, if not a via media exactly, the true path between the rot of Left and Right.
I cannot imagine that you yourself were pleased by what he wrote, even if from our attack on First Things itself you would demur.
I am not a fan of casting the correct view of most things as a via media between two extremes. For instance, the legality of abortion is a yes or no issue. However, I'll try to frame traditionalism as a via media:
The liberals: The Pope and Ecumenical Councils can be wrong about virtually anything.
The conservatives/neo-Catholics: The Pope and Ecumenical Councils can be wrong about virtually nothing . . . unless they're conveniently dead and contradicted by Vatican II.
The traditionalist: When issuing solemn decrees and decrees in accord with the ordinary magisterium, the Pope and Ecumenical Councils cannot be wrong. When not issuing solemn decrees, or when their decrees of lesser worth contradict past traditional teaching, the can be wrong.
traditionalism: aka Catholicism
Well, I'll have to go and read the book now. As you say, the blurb says nothing about ecumenism, and I can tell you most definitely that von Balthasar is not going to endorse any indifferentist, pluralist nonsense about all Christian religions being equally good, or what have you. Obviously I haven't read all of his stuff (he was quite prolific, as I mentioned before) and I don't swear by his positions as gospel truth. But he was a thinker of great depth and complexity, and a man of great faith. He deserves to be read before being dismissed.
"Well, I'll have to go and read the book now. As you say, the blurb says nothing about ecumenism, and I can tell you most definitely that von Balthasar is not going to endorse any indifferentist, pluralist nonsense about all Christian religions being equally good, or what have you."
Before you misconstrue what I wrote (too late?), I did not claim that Balthasar wrote anything that was pluralistic or indifferent toward differences between religions. I merely noted that he recommended dismantling many of particularly, peculiarly Catholic features that served as prophylactics (pun intended) against the world -- the "arcanery" that Bottum talks about. And the blurb does state that the "bastions" he wanted to raise were ones that put up barriers to the "modern world," so I'm interested in seeing how ecumenism *doesn't* play a role in that.
Er, the ones he wanted "to raze" -- although I wish that he'd said "raise."
Fair enough, and I'm not denying that he had things to say about ecumenism, (which needn't in every context be a dirty word.) I just don't like to see him bandied about too callously. He was in his way a Vatican II enthusiast, no doubt, but he was a heavyweight, and deserves to be treated carefully.
Here is a commentary about the book Razing the Bastions. I would not read this book without a good training in the field of neo modernism. They use a language that seems traditional, but completely alter the concepts of the terms. I haven´t read it all.
sspx.ca/Angelus/2005_February/Root_Matter.htm
"Oddly, Balthasar, because of his later works, became a favorite in conservative circles, perhaps because, as Bishop Schonborn, who authored the foreword (written in 1988) notes that this "programmatic little book" has often been set against his later, more theologically conservative works. He adds that the author himself, in 1985, believed that the views expounded there had been adopted, with reservations and second thoughts, by Vatican II, which deepened and taught it."
Thanks for the link! By the sounds of the review, ecumenism is very much one motivation for the "razing of the bastions."
There is something in the tenor of Bottum's remarks that reminds me invevitably of those of Fr. Timothy Radcliffe at the LA REC last year when he invited those present to "feel the pain" of their political opponents in the Church, that the real need was to be sensitive to each point of view and understanding of the other's feeeeeeeeeelings.
No hint at all that there might actually be facts to examine, that a decision is called for between certain irreconcilable positions based on the examination.
Nope, just lamenting that no one can get along and we are locked in this incessant combat.
Well? Isn't this essentially Bottum's position? THanks gentlemen, but as a happy and well-adjusted Evil Traditionalist, I think I don't need either to reconcile the irreconcilable, or remain locked in this 'combat.' I suggest to both of them that they get the Faith. With that, all the Call to Actions and Fatima Crusaders become unimportant. The clouds dispell and it is easy to see what's what.
Mr. Bottum might try Catholicism instead of Americanism, he might be able to get out of bed and start praying for the conversion of the world as we have been repeatedly asked to do by the highest possible authorities.
As always, Iacobus and I are delighted to have the support of the inimitable Rorate Caeli.
I have read Razing the Bastions, but it was many years ago. My recollection is that 'bastions' are the theological/cultural accretions--and these can be identified, with reason and study and prudence to be just that, artefacts of theology and culture, not parts of the depositum fidei--that have, whatever value they may have had at the time of their origin, no pastoral or apostolic purpose now. If letting these 'battlements' or 'bastions' go can advance the progress toward unity, let them go. If letting these go can help the authentic preaching of the Gospel reach the unbelievers and the unchurched, let them go.
My recollection is that while Fr von Balthasar mentions specifics (as to what can be 'let go' and what cannot) the book is more of a theological explanation of why Holy Mother Church, holy as she is, must be always at the ascesis of reform, semper reformanda.
whatever value they may have had at the time of their origin, no pastoral or apostolic purpose now.
But does it necessarily follow that because a cultural accretion is old and was useful to previous generations, that it is ipso facto not useful to us now?
Does this assumption not start with a host of others about the nature of man? Does it not assume that very popular anthropological error that human beings are significantly different now from their forebears?
I have noted that it is a common assumption that we are now, being all modern and sophisticated, much more grown-up than our poor foolish ancestors who needed a lot of religious paraphernalia to bring us to God. This is, perhaps, a central theme of neo-Cathism where they give themselves away as essentially not much different from their liberal friends.
Bottum himself seemed to say as much when he was insulting the little old Spanish ladies with their Rosaries. He asserts, along with Teilhard de Chardin, that we have come of age and are now to put away childish things.
But the Traditionalist, (Catholic), understanding of human nature is that it does not change in its essence, no matter what sort of clothes the body wears, or how many degrees it hangs off the end of its name. The Catholic Claptrap was there because it helped people know, love and serve God. To say that it no longer does so is to say that we have changed in so significant a way that the Catholic Faith itself is no longer of use to us.
What we are left, then, is a matter of degree. The liberal says we can do away with any part or all of the doctrines of the Catholic religion, all of its liturgical expressions, all of its devotions, all of its disciplines.
The neo-Catholic picks and chooses for himself which of these to throw out, or ignore (extra ecclesiam anyone?), but the principle is the same.
Hilary, (I point out again that I am writing about Razing the Bastions on the basis of my old memory.) I certainly did not mean to imply that Fr von B. wrote that it "necessarily follow[s] that because a cultural accretion is old and was useful to previous generations [...] that it is ipso facto not useful to us now". Many aspects of our religious culture are not de fide and are of ancient provenance: Fr von B.'s thesis isn't that one discards the whole lot (which attitude of iconoclasm is foreign to his thought, completely and utterly) but that sometimes, subjecting ourselves to the ascesis of the Cross, we give up what is good and praiseworthy in se in order to gain a greater good.
But I'm not writing another word about this, ha, until I re-read the book!
My thumbs are now raw from twiddling them in eager anticipation for Dr. A. and Clara's reply in re Bottum. But patience is a virtue, so I guess I'm earning some indulgences in the meantime.
Like Bottum thinking about Fr. Rod Stephens, my heart is pulled many different ways at once as I await their reply: anticipation of a good debate, amazement that they will defend a man in bed with the covers over his head, fear that Bottum will be vindicated and that First Things and the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) really are the brightest lights of American Catholicism.
It's almost finished. You should have it in an hour or less. I'm only waiting for the Doctor to finish teaching class and look it over it once more, since I've made a fair number of changes since he last saw it.
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